"You can call a collection of statistics bogus while conceding the greater message that people shouldn't "display sexualized images" at conferences."... Ts'o only said what he said. Whatever you are "reading into it" is unsubstantiated"
I have quoted at length and verbatim what Ted said, and it was not about calling a collection of statistics bogus. It was an incorrect and offensive belief about what constitutes rape and who is to blame for it. No 'reading into it' is required. I really don't know why I have to post this over and over, but here it is again. These are Ted's exact words. Quoted verbatim, from http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/ted_mail/0038.html . No 'reading into' anything is going on. This is a direct quotation.
"All aside from the legal question, there's also the question, in the Alice and Bob thought experiment, regardless of whether Alice is guilty of raping Bob (assume that Bob was inebriated and couldn't give consent, and she knew that Bob was drunk), should Bob be faulted for putting him into a situation where he was so drunk that he couldn't take responsibility for himself? What if it was pretty clear that he regularly did this *because* he could lose control and not take responsibility for what he did? Suppose he hadn't yet had sex without giving consent? Would, should he, face opprobrium for his actions? If yes, does that magically go away once he is raped, and is now a victim, since that would now be blaming the victim?
My personal opinion is that things aren't black and white, and even if Alice is guilty of raping him, Bob should also be faulted for his contribution towards the incident, and should take at least some responsibility for avoiding being put in similar situations in the future."
In that text Ted clearly states that he believes people who are raped bear 'at least some responsibility' for being raped. This is not me 'reading into' anything. This is not about statistics.
Re: Worst piece of libel on Planet Gnome ever
I have quoted at length and verbatim what Ted said, and it was not about calling a collection of statistics bogus. It was an incorrect and offensive belief about what constitutes rape and who is to blame for it. No 'reading into it' is required. I really don't know why I have to post this over and over, but here it is again. These are Ted's exact words. Quoted verbatim, from http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/ted_mail/0038.html . No 'reading into' anything is going on. This is a direct quotation.
"All aside from the legal question, there's also the question, in the Alice and Bob thought experiment, regardless of whether Alice is guilty of raping Bob (assume that Bob was inebriated and couldn't give consent, and she knew that Bob was drunk), should Bob be faulted for putting him into a situation where he was so drunk that he couldn't take responsibility for himself? What if it was pretty clear that he regularly did this *because* he could lose control and not take responsibility for what he did? Suppose he hadn't yet had sex without giving consent? Would, should he, face opprobrium for his actions? If yes, does that magically go away once he is raped, and is now a victim, since that would now be blaming the victim?
My personal opinion is that things aren't black and white, and even if Alice is guilty of raping him, Bob should also be faulted for his contribution towards the incident, and should take at least some responsibility for avoiding being put in similar situations in the future."
In that text Ted clearly states that he believes people who are raped bear 'at least some responsibility' for being raped. This is not me 'reading into' anything. This is not about statistics.