If you can show that the numbers are likely false, then you do of course have a valid reason to object to their use. But that's not the same as justifying your "calls rape victims liars" claims.
There are studies that claim to clearly demonstrate that the number of people murdered in the holocaust was significantly smaller than the consensus figures. We call people who cite those numbers holocaust deniers. If you cite numbers that say that the proportion of false rape accusations could be up to 50%, despite there not being a single well-supported figure that puts the number above 8% (and many which put it well below that), you're denying reality. You're explicitly saying that many people who report rape are lying about it. And since all the worthwhile evidence says that the majority of those people have actually been raped, you're saying that some people who have actually been raped are lying about it.
Note that even if taken in isolation, the sentence would not match Valerie Aurora's claims ("rape was impossible if both people were drunk enough").
If both people are drunk enough that they are simultaneously able to give consent and unable to determine that the other person is unable to give consent, Ted's example says that it's not rape. That's another way of saying "rape is impossible if both people are drunk enough".
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Re: My overall take on the discussion
Date: 2012-11-08 01:49 am (UTC)There are studies that claim to clearly demonstrate that the number of people murdered in the holocaust was significantly smaller than the consensus figures. We call people who cite those numbers holocaust deniers. If you cite numbers that say that the proportion of false rape accusations could be up to 50%, despite there not being a single well-supported figure that puts the number above 8% (and many which put it well below that), you're denying reality. You're explicitly saying that many people who report rape are lying about it. And since all the worthwhile evidence says that the majority of those people have actually been raped, you're saying that some people who have actually been raped are lying about it.
If both people are drunk enough that they are simultaneously able to give consent and unable to determine that the other person is unable to give consent, Ted's example says that it's not rape. That's another way of saying "rape is impossible if both people are drunk enough".