I still do not see the point. Windows is a piece of crap. We know that. Windows needs this? Honestly what Windows needs is a full reboot. But Microsoft cannot afford to build anything good (even WP7 is built off WM6.5) at this point, and they know this.
With security, we've been running reactively for a very long time and I do not really see the issue. In fact, reactive is how humans are. When we get sick, we respond appropriately. Look up projects like ABACUS, where computers could potentially heal themselves on detection of 'misuse'. We also run retroactively. We have the best of both worlds. Preventing boot-ups because the system detected 'misuse'? That would NEVER fly with me and NEVER would fly with anyone else. What is Microsoft trying to do here? INCREASE downtime? Microsoft has costed the world over 100 billion USD in security problems. When are they going to give that back?
And also, let's just imagine that we had keys and all nice things worked out (as some people seem to state here). So now I have to find some 'authority' who can give me the keys to do WHAT I WANT to with MY (potentially custom built) machine? That is absolute nonsense! Any of you are suggesting that there be 'Linux keys', or 'Ubuntu keys' (yuck) means that you do not see an underlying problem. Sure, today for some odd reason we trust CA's like VeriSign to secure our websites (honestly I still find this a strange deal). Why? Why should we trust anyone other than ourselves in this regard? Who made them king?
In a hacker sense: if a motherboard has this functionality, hack it to death and REMOVE IT ENTIRELY. Do not even have a bit of this. It's absolute nonsense!
In another sense: I should NEVER have to do anything like just mentioned just to do get the OS I want running, nor should I have to do any key fiddling.
The fight will go on. In fact, I hope UEFI+secure boot turn out to be a disaster and the security problems for Windows users go UP instead of down. Go on malware writers! Keep doing what you do until Microsoft is bankrupt!
Things the way they are just fine if you ask me, if you NEVER use Windows. Linux (almost any distro) and Mac OS X are 2 fine operating systems that don't need this crap.
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Date: 2011-09-26 02:15 am (UTC)With security, we've been running reactively for a very long time and I do not really see the issue. In fact, reactive is how humans are. When we get sick, we respond appropriately. Look up projects like ABACUS, where computers could potentially heal themselves on detection of 'misuse'. We also run retroactively. We have the best of both worlds. Preventing boot-ups because the system detected 'misuse'? That would NEVER fly with me and NEVER would fly with anyone else. What is Microsoft trying to do here? INCREASE downtime? Microsoft has costed the world over 100 billion USD in security problems. When are they going to give that back?
And also, let's just imagine that we had keys and all nice things worked out (as some people seem to state here). So now I have to find some 'authority' who can give me the keys to do WHAT I WANT to with MY (potentially custom built) machine? That is absolute nonsense! Any of you are suggesting that there be 'Linux keys', or 'Ubuntu keys' (yuck) means that you do not see an underlying problem. Sure, today for some odd reason we trust CA's like VeriSign to secure our websites (honestly I still find this a strange deal). Why? Why should we trust anyone other than ourselves in this regard? Who made them king?
In a hacker sense: if a motherboard has this functionality, hack it to death and REMOVE IT ENTIRELY. Do not even have a bit of this. It's absolute nonsense!
In another sense: I should NEVER have to do anything like just mentioned just to do get the OS I want running, nor should I have to do any key fiddling.
The fight will go on. In fact, I hope UEFI+secure boot turn out to be a disaster and the security problems for Windows users go UP instead of down. Go on malware writers! Keep doing what you do until Microsoft is bankrupt!
Things the way they are just fine if you ask me, if you NEVER use Windows. Linux (almost any distro) and Mac OS X are 2 fine operating systems that don't need this crap.