Someone wrote in [personal profile] mjg59 2011-10-28 02:31 pm (UTC)

Re: Community

First of all, you are - and IMO the whole geekfeminism culture is - doing a black-and-white drawing of everyone that dares to argue on one of these points. And this is one of the reasons why I usually try to ignore everyone from there. And that makes me definitely not part of the solution to your problem, even though I would like to be. Keep in mind that with the black-and-white stuff, I'm now automatically part of the problem.

Second, he is right in that these arguments should not make you part of the problem. As I see them, they're badly worded attempts to say the equivalent of "If you walk around alone at night in a crime area, it's no wonder you get robbed". And saying that does not usually make you a proponent of violent crime.

I would argue that whether or not people saying these things are good or bad people is roughly similar to the answer about who's at fault when women run around scantily dressed or wearing a burka and what to do about the reactions to that. Of course everybody should be free to wear or say whatever they want without death threats or even snide remarks. But I think you don't get there by labeling everyone not immediately 100% supportive of this and commenting about the ways in which you approach the problem as part of the problem.

And last but not least I do think that public shaming of people by name (or at least by pseudonym) as you do in this blog post is something that should be done as a last resort for really bad people. And I still think the really bad people are the ones sending death threats.

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