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I've previously written about Canonical's obnoxious IP policy and how Mark Shuttleworth admits it's deliberately vague. After spending some time discussing specific examples with Canonical, I've been explicitly told that while Canonical will gladly give me a cost-free trademark license permitting me to redistribute unmodified Ubuntu binaries, they will not tell me what
Why does this matter? The free software definition requires that you be able to redistribute software to other people in either unmodified or modified form without needing to ask for permission first. This makes it clear that Ubuntu itself isn't free software - distributing the individual binary packages without permission is forbidden, even if they wouldn't contain any infringing trademarks[1]. This is obnoxious, but not inherently toxic. The source packages for Ubuntu could still be free software, making it fairly straightforward to build a free software equivalent.
Unfortunately, while true in theory, this isn't true in practice. The issue here is the apparently simple phrase
This seems like a pretty ludicrous interpretation, but it's one that Canonical refuse to explicitly rule out. Compare this to Red Hat's requirements around Fedora - if you replace the fedora-logos, fedora-release and fedora-release-notes packages with your own content, you're good. A policy like this satisfies the concerns that Dustin raised over people misrepresenting their products, but still makes it easy for users to distribute modified code to other users. There's nothing whatsoever stopping Canonical from adopting a similarly unambiguous policy.
Mark has repeatedly asserted that attempts to raise this issue are mere FUD, but he won't answer you if you ask him direct questions about this policy and will insist that it's necessary to protect Ubuntu's brand. The reality is that if Debian had had an identical policy in 2004, Ubuntu wouldn't exist. The effort required to strip all Debian trademarks from the source packages would have been immense[2], and this would have had to be repeated for every release. While this policy is in place, nobody's going to be able to take Ubuntu and build something better. It's grotesquely hypocritical, especially when the Ubuntu website still talks about their belief that people should be able to distribute modifications without licensing fees.
All that's required for Canonical to deal with this problem is to follow Fedora's lead and isolate their trademarks in a small set of packages, then tell users that those packages must be replaced if distributing a modified version of Ubuntu. If they're serious about this being a branding issue, they'll do it. And if I'm right that the policy is deliberately obfuscated so Canonical can encourage people to buy licenses, they won't. It's easy for them to prove me wrong, and I'll be delighted if they do. Let's see what happens.
[1] The policy is quite clear on this. If you want to distribute something other than an unmodified Ubuntu image, you have two choices:
[2] Especially when every source package contains a directory called "debian"…
Any redistribution of modified versions of Ubuntu must be approved, certified or provided by Canonical if you are going to associate it with the Trademarks. Otherwise you must remove and replace the Trademarks and will need to recompile the source code to create your own binariesactually means.
Why does this matter? The free software definition requires that you be able to redistribute software to other people in either unmodified or modified form without needing to ask for permission first. This makes it clear that Ubuntu itself isn't free software - distributing the individual binary packages without permission is forbidden, even if they wouldn't contain any infringing trademarks[1]. This is obnoxious, but not inherently toxic. The source packages for Ubuntu could still be free software, making it fairly straightforward to build a free software equivalent.
Unfortunately, while true in theory, this isn't true in practice. The issue here is the apparently simple phrase
you must remove and replace the Trademarks and will need to recompile the source code. "Trademarks" is defined later as being the words "Ubuntu", "Kubuntu", "Juju", "Landscape", "Edubuntu" and "Xubuntu" in either textual or logo form. The naive interpretation of this is that you have to remove trademarks where they'd be infringing - for instance, shipping the Ubuntu bootsplash as part of a modified product would almost certainly be clear trademark infringement, so you shouldn't do that. But that's not what the policy actually says. It insists that all trademarks be removed, whether they would embody an infringement or not. If a README says "To build this software under Ubuntu, install the following packages", a literal reading of Canonical's policy would require you to remove or replace the word "Ubuntu" even though failing to do so wouldn't be a trademark infringement. If an @ubuntu.com email address is present in a changelog, you'd have to change it. You wouldn't be able to ship the juju-core package without renaming it and the application within. If this is what the policy means, it's so impractical to be able to rebuild Ubuntu that it's not free software in any meaningful way.
This seems like a pretty ludicrous interpretation, but it's one that Canonical refuse to explicitly rule out. Compare this to Red Hat's requirements around Fedora - if you replace the fedora-logos, fedora-release and fedora-release-notes packages with your own content, you're good. A policy like this satisfies the concerns that Dustin raised over people misrepresenting their products, but still makes it easy for users to distribute modified code to other users. There's nothing whatsoever stopping Canonical from adopting a similarly unambiguous policy.
Mark has repeatedly asserted that attempts to raise this issue are mere FUD, but he won't answer you if you ask him direct questions about this policy and will insist that it's necessary to protect Ubuntu's brand. The reality is that if Debian had had an identical policy in 2004, Ubuntu wouldn't exist. The effort required to strip all Debian trademarks from the source packages would have been immense[2], and this would have had to be repeated for every release. While this policy is in place, nobody's going to be able to take Ubuntu and build something better. It's grotesquely hypocritical, especially when the Ubuntu website still talks about their belief that people should be able to distribute modifications without licensing fees.
All that's required for Canonical to deal with this problem is to follow Fedora's lead and isolate their trademarks in a small set of packages, then tell users that those packages must be replaced if distributing a modified version of Ubuntu. If they're serious about this being a branding issue, they'll do it. And if I'm right that the policy is deliberately obfuscated so Canonical can encourage people to buy licenses, they won't. It's easy for them to prove me wrong, and I'll be delighted if they do. Let's see what happens.
[1] The policy is quite clear on this. If you want to distribute something other than an unmodified Ubuntu image, you have two choices:
- Gain approval or certification from Canonical
- Remove all trademarks and recompile the source code
[2] Especially when every source package contains a directory called "debian"…
Re: Comparing to Fedora / Comparing to Red Hat
Date: 2015-11-21 05:15 pm (UTC)The way to clarify legal matters is one the following.
1. You do what is reasonable: Remove trademark violations and affirmatively assert that this is not an Ubuntu/Canonical endorsed product; do not link to Canonical repositories; etc. If you are sued, deal with it then.
OR
2. If you wanted to be more cautious, you can sue Canonical for a declaratory judgement on whether a specific action would be infringement. This would also compel an answer.
BUT *asking* a lawyer to clarify already established text such as their "IP Policy" is barking up the wrong tree. Clarification *almost always* weakens rights. They might do it for goodwill ... but it would be naive to count on it and almost infantile (in a business sense) to demand it. A lawsuit (like 2) is, in practice, the only way to force an answer (i.e. to clarify policy).
Perhaps you aren't used to how the law is used in business. The fact of the matter is that if you are afraid of being sued, you have the wrong idea. If you haven't been sued yet ... it is just a sign that you aren't big enough to worry about. When you are big enough ... you should always expect lawsuits.
Re: Comparing to Fedora / Comparing to Red Hat
Date: 2015-11-22 03:14 am (UTC)Also re: "Clarification *almost always* weakens rights." then is Red Hat "weakening rights" by being more explicit and clear than Canonical? Red Hat's solution is far from perfect, but it seems more workable to a pretty outspoken group of people, so I don't see what gets weakened (or put at risk, more precisely) by Canonical adapting the same type of policy.
But while we're at it, I'd love to know.
Re: Comparing to Fedora / Comparing to Red Hat
Date: 2015-11-23 03:59 pm (UTC)If someone actually went to the effort to create an Ubuntu clone via recompiled binaries (and also removed infringing use of trademarks ... and affirmatively asserting that this is "not Ubuntu"), just as when CentOS was created, the text would be clarified. And, frankly, contrary to what Matthew asserts, this would not be terribly difficult (not "easy" but
easier than CentOS").
Re: Comparing to Fedora / Comparing to Red Hat
Date: 2015-11-23 06:44 pm (UTC)But back in 1999 when the RHL installer was proprietary was Red Hat making any claims similar to "X is made for sharing. Use it, modify it, improve it, share it. Anywhere, any time and with any number of people all over the world. No licence required."
If Canonical was self-consistent and was marketing and socializing Ubuntu the product as a proprietary product.. then this wouldn't really be as big of an issue now. There would be no confusion. But Canonical has and continues to market and socialize Ubuntu the product, as being something okay to modify and redistribute..without seeking a license to do so. The text on http://www.ubuntu.com/about/ is in direct conflict to the IP policy. And that is a huge problem. It's the lack of clarity that is the problem, not the proprietary nature of the IP policy. It's the gap between the promise and the reality that needs to be closed. The Ubunut Promise makes a big deal about the ability to modify and share...without asking for permission to do so. And yet.. the IP policy seems to say its just way easier if you get special permision to do so.
Either "the Ubuntu Promise" text needs to be updated to come into line with the reality of the newer IP policy or the IP policy needs to be redrafted to clarify.
I think most everyone outside the Canonical fenceline would prefer that the IP policy be clarified instead of the Ubuntu promise updated. But for me, I think it would be much more honest for Canonical moving forward if they just stopped trying to upsell the idea that Ubuntu is modifiable and sharable as a valueadd and marketplace differentiation. It's not as true as it use to be considering the intent of the IP policy, and it will be even less true moving forward with snappy oem images using special oem snap packages at image provisioning.
Re: Comparing to Fedora / Comparing to Red Hat
Date: 2015-11-24 04:50 am (UTC)charge moneyforce people to strike deals with clear limitations for any substantial redistribution of their OS.Re: Comparing to Fedora / Comparing to Red Hat
Date: 2015-11-24 04:09 am (UTC)